I interviewed for a support role at AWS last year

I interviewed for a support role at AWS last year
I interviewed for a support role at AWS last year, and that was bad enough. 1.5 hrs of a technical screening call, followed by 6 hrs straight (like, no breaks whatsoever) of face-to-face interviews with 6 separate people, only to be told that I needed to improve my networking skills, and that I should take some networking certifications and apply again next year. The beautiful thing? I never claimed to be a networking guy in any shape or form, and it wasn't part of the job description for the role I applied for in the first place. Sounds like I dodged a bullet.
"We set a high bar! B players hire C players! Only hire A players!"The way it works at amazon is, if anyone doesn't like you, you're out. It doesn't matter if its relevant or not. It doesn't matter if the person who doesn't like you knows nothing about programming. My boss- the one with the criminal justice degree- would often veto people because they "weren't good programmers". Of course, he had no clue who was a good programmer and who wasn't because he couldn't program!Sometimes, a person will be angling for the position you're interviewing for. Only,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], that person will also be included in in the interview loop. So, they go thru great expense and hassle to bring people in, and then pat themselves on the back when they arbitrarily rule someone out. Saying no, means they're doing their job, keeping that bar high! They once said no to a guy I'd worked with previously, who, as far as I'm concerned, was a much better programmer than me. (Better looking,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], gets along with people better, etc as well.) I mentioned this to the hiring manager, and he said "We have to keep a high bar!"How many people do you think want to interview with Amazon again after going thru a 6 hour process like that?Since their process is completely arbitrary,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], sometimes they get really great people (god only knows why they stick around-- I think a lot of engineers don't really know their own worth) but they also get a lot of people who randomly rub the right people the right way and get hired. It was completely arbitrary, it seemed to me.-----SandB0x 542 days ago | link
Since their process is completely arbitrary, sometimes they get really great people (god only knows why they stick around-- I think a lot of engineers don't really know their own worth) but they also get a lot of people who randomly rub the right people the right way and get hired. In a lot of places especially large corporates,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], Managers build their own gang. Your effort goes down in the drain. You work real hard to prove yourself and you get branded as a bad team player. Such managers have knack to identify such people. And people whom they hire replicate the same. Since any B or C can veto any hire, A people often didn't get hired in favor of B or C people. (and A people who already worked there, eventually, got excluded from hiring loops because they're "needed elsewhere.")-----tuhin 542 days ago | link
what prevents A players from hiring B and C players
They know it will not end up good for anybody,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych]. people who are low competence will rate themselves routinely as 9-10 / 10 but people who are high competence will rate themselves 5-6 / 10 .-----sirclueless 542 days ago | link
If A players surround themselves with A players and B players surround themselves with C players then those numbers sound about right.-----bitmonk 532 days ago | link
I remember being "Top Graded" as an "A Player" when I was at Rackspace. In addition to everyone quickly beginning to hate me, I caught an article on Top Grading in the next few days which said that A players have an average tenure of 3 months,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], mostly due to the fact that we shake things up and are unafraid to challenge anyone, which eventually gets tiring. B players are loyal and anyone who has actually read on how all this is supposed to work realizes that C players are just in the wrong job, possibly even at the right company. They're unhappy and they stop trying, unless you can redeploy them.-----j_col 542 days ago | link
Yeah,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], the "bar raiser" is a concept that you will hear about when you interview there. Mine was the last guy after a very long day (sixth interviewer), who actually introduced himself to me as "the local bar raiser", and then got me up writing algorithms on a whiteboard for an hour. Like I said earlier, I can do that stuff but I'm no network guy. How many people do you think want to interview with Amazon again after going thru a 6 hour process like that?Not me that's for sure, and I thought it was very arrogant of them at the time to suggest that I go off and getting some network training on my own time and expense and apply again next year. Like I've nothing better to do.-----nirvana 542 days ago | link
There's a massive amount of arrogance to this type of hiring. Are they going to want to put up with being treated that way?In my day, the "bar raiser" didn't announce it, and so you never knew,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], if you even knew they did that. Announcing it seems profoundly stupid. And arrogant.-----typicalrunt 542 days ago | link
I can't believe Amazon still conducts their interviews in 6 hour blocks. Then several of us were taken out for dinner by employees where, duh, we were quasi-interviewed for our social skills. That kind of day is crazy and I never want to do it again.-----gcp 542 days ago | link
Note that much of what was said in this post and the parent applies to Google, too.-----j_col 542 days ago | link
Yes I agree, probably the only difference is that they would make you come in on six different days for your six interviews, and maybe spread them over a few months, and then still tell you no over something apparently random. I refuse to interview there despite being approached by them twice, I've heard enough stories from my friends to put me off.-----joelhaasnoot 542 days ago | link
Sounds like the "screening day" I went through at a large multinational here in the Netherlands. 5 25 minute interviews,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], lots of talking, presentations, got an offer,[link widoczny dla zalogowanych], just so they could decide "Oh yeah, we have people with nothing to do, sorry, can't hire you"-----hiddenl 542 days ago | link
I concur, I interviewed with them back in April this year 1hr tech call then 8 hours non stop interviews 9am-5pm (each with at least 2, sometimes 4+ people) Even lunch break was an interview! I didn't get an offer it in the end, their reason - not enough Java/J2EE - And not once on my cv/resume had I mentioned I had experience in that?!And yes, one guy came in and introduced himself as the 'bar-raiser' sat back in his chair and expected me to be somewhat impressed by this.-----
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